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« on: June 05, 2011, 02:44:17 PM »

 nuclear  JWB of PFI does a good job summarizing what (at least some of us think) is going on in Japan & BEYOND.  Think this is very important.  For more details you may see the "Black Swan Landed in Japan thread" @ PFI.  The following link  http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewtopic.php?t=4361&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2265  will take you to the page where JWB writes the following:

"OK. I'll say it.

Unit 4 is going to collapse.

There are so many reasons why it's going too, that I've resisted posting
the obvious, but seeing how the MSM won't. I will.

A week ago or so, Pixie posted an article about how TEPCO plans on installing 30
columns on the second floor, up to the spent fuel pool, to support it. Just keep that
in the back of your mind for now.

Now, let's just run through some facts about the building.....

It's old.

The overall design, sucks.

It has been subject to hundreds, if not thousands, of earthquakes, PRIOR to March 11th, 2011.

On March 11th, it was hit with a earthquake that moved the entire country of Japan.

On March 11th, it was broadsided by a huge tsunami.

Since March 11th, it has experienced numerous strong earthquakes that would destroy most cities.

It has been subject to very large, nearby, multiple, hydrogen explosions.

TEPCO has poured seawater into it, for weeks. Steel and concrete, hate seawater.

It has been exposed for months, to extremely high levels of radiation.
Steel and concrete, hate extremely high levels of radiation.

TEPCO doesn't have the slightest idea, of the structural integrity of the structure.

The second floor, wasn't designed to support 30 columns, and a spent fuel pool.

There wasn't any mention of shoring up the second floor before adding all the additional load.

There wasn't any mention of shoring up the first floor before adding all the additional load.

They don't even know what's in the basement.

One more strong quake, one more explosion, one misstep by the remotes removing 'debris', weakens it further.

And last, but certainly not least....TEPCO is still in charge.

But when the building does collapse, I'm sure they already have an apology for it."
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Mods, I'm not sure where to put this so relocate it as you think best.  Also, I'm not sure how to title it, so change that as you think appropriate too. I think people need to know about more about this topic than I fear many do.  Thank you.
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2011, 12:29:03 AM »

Hat tip Montreme of PFI
CNN's John King interviews Arnie Gundersen about the Hot Particles discovered in Japan and the US.

CNN's John King and Arnie Gundersen discuss "hot particles" detected in Seattle and Japan, the cozy relationship between Japanese regulator NISA (Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency) and plant owner TEPCO, and changes at the Fukushima accident site since March. John King and Arnie Gundersen also discuss how TEPCO's acknowledgement today of another error in calculating radiation dose more than doubles the amount of radioactivity to which people in the Northern Hemisphere have been exposed.

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http://www.fairewinds.com/content/cnns-john-king-interviews-arnie-gundersen-about-hot-particles-discovered-japan-and-us
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2011, 10:09:06 AM »

hat tip Crfullmoon of PFI
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/06/201161664828302638.html

Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

Scientific experts believe Japan's nuclear disaster to be far worse than governments are revealing to the public.


"Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind," Arnold Gundersen, a former nuclear industry senior vice president, told Al Jazeera.
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Gundersen, a licensed reactor operator with 39 years of nuclear power engineering experience, managing and coordinating projects at 70 nuclear power plants around the US, says the Fukushima nuclear plant likely has more exposed reactor cores than commonly believed.

"Fukushima has three nuclear reactors exposed and four fuel cores exposed," he said, "You probably have the equivalent of 20 nuclear reactor cores because of the fuel cores, and they are all in desperate need of being cooled, and there is no means to cool them effectively."

TEPCO has been spraying water on several of the reactors and fuel cores, but this has led to even greater problems, such as radiation being emitted into the air in steam and evaporated sea water - as well as generating hundreds of thousands of tons of highly radioactive sea water that has to be disposed of.

"The problem is how to keep it cool," says Gundersen. "They are pouring in water and the question is what are they going to do with the waste that comes out of that system, because it is going to contain plutonium and uranium. Where do you put the water?"

Even though the plant is now shut down, fission products such as uranium continue to generate heat, and therefore require cooling.

"The fuels are now a molten blob at the bottom of the reactor," Gundersen added. "TEPCO announced they had a melt through. A melt down is when the fuel collapses to the bottom of the reactor, and a melt through means it has melted through some layers. That blob is incredibly radioactive, and now you have water on top of it. The water picks up enormous amounts of radiation, so you add more water and you are generating hundreds of thousands of tons of highly radioactive water."

Independent scientists have been monitoring the locations of radioactive "hot spots" around Japan, and their findings are disconcerting.

"We have 20 nuclear cores exposed, the fuel pools have several cores each, that is 20 times the potential to be released than Chernobyl," said Gundersen. "The data I'm seeing shows that we are finding hot spots further away than we had from Chernobyl, and the amount of radiation in many of them was the amount that caused areas to be declared no-man's-land for Chernobyl. We are seeing square kilometers being found 60 to 70 kilometers away from the reactor. You can't clean all this up. We still have radioactive wild boar in Germany, 30 years after Chernobyl."
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Meanwhile, a nuclear waste advisor to the Japanese government reported that about 966 square kilometres near the power station - an area roughly 17 times the size of Manhattan - is now likely uninhabitable.
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"There is and should be concern about younger people being exposed, and the Japanese government will be giving out radiation monitors to children," Dr MV Ramana, a physicist with the Programme on Science and Global Security at Princeton University who specialises in issues of nuclear safety, told Al Jazeera.

Dr Ramana explained that he believes the primary radiation threat continues to be mostly for residents living within 50km of the plant, but added: "There are going to be areas outside of the Japanese government's 20km mandatory evacuation zone where radiation is higher. So that could mean evacuation zones in those areas as well."

Gundersen points out that far more radiation has been released than has been reported.

"They recalculated the amount of radiation released, but the news is really not talking about this," he said.  "The new calculations show that within the first week of the accident, they released 2.3 times as much radiation as they thought they released in the first 80 days."

According to Gundersen, the exposed reactors and fuel cores are continuing to release microns of caesium, strontium, and plutonium isotopes. These are referred to as "hot particles".

"We are discovering hot particles everywhere in Japan, even in Tokyo," he said. "Scientists are finding these everywhere. Over the last 90 days these hot particles have continued to fall and are being deposited in high concentrations. A lot of people are picking these up in car engine air filters."

Radioactive air filters from cars in Fukushima prefecture and Tokyo are now common, and Gundersen says his sources are finding radioactive air filters in the Seattle area of the US as well.

The hot particles on them can eventually lead to cancer.

"These get stuck in your lungs or GI tract, and they are a constant irritant," he explained, "One cigarette doesn't get you, but over time they do. These [hot particles] can cause cancer, but you can't measure them with a Geiger counter. Clearly people in Fukushima prefecture have breathed in a large amount of these particles. Clearly the upper West Coast of the US has people being affected. That area got hit pretty heavy in April."
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Why have alarms not been sounded about radiation exposure in the US?

Nuclear operator Exelon Corporation has been among Barack Obama's biggest campaign donors, and is one of the largest employers in Illinois where Obama was senator. Exelon has donated more than $269,000 to his political campaigns, thus far. Obama also appointed Exelon CEO John Rowe to his Blue Ribbon Commission on America's Nuclear Future.

Dr Shoji Sawada is a theoretical particle physicist and Professor Emeritus at Nagoya University in Japan. He is concerned about the types of nuclear plants in his country, and the fact that most of them are of US design.

"Most of the reactors in Japan were designed by US companies who did not care for the effects of earthquakes," Dr Sawada told Al Jazeera. "I think this problem applies to all nuclear power stations across Japan."

Using nuclear power to produce electricity in Japan is a product of the nuclear policy of the US, something Dr Sawada feels is also a large component of the problem.

"Most of the Japanese scientists at that time, the mid-1950s, considered that the technology of nuclear energy was under development or not established enough, and that it was too early to be put to practical use," he explained. "The Japan Scientists Council recommended the Japanese Government not use this technology yet, but the government accepted to use enriched uranium to fuel nuclear power stations, and was thus subjected to US government policy."

As a 13-year-old, Dr Sawada experienced the US nuclear attack against Japan from his home, situated just 1400 metres from the hypocentre of the Hiroshima bomb.

"I think the Fukushima accident has caused the Japanese people to abandon the myth that nuclear power stations are safe," he said. "Now the opinions of the Japanese people have rapidly changed. Well beyond half the population believes Japan should to move towards natural electricity."

A problem of infinite proportions
Dr Ramana expects the plant reactors and fuel cores to be cooled enough for a shutdown within two years. "But it is going to take a very long time before the fuel can be removed from the reactor," he added. "Dealing with the cracking and compromised structure and dealing with radiation in the area will take several years, there's no question about that."

Dr Sawada is not as clear about how long a cold shutdown could take, and said the problem will be "the effects from caesium-137 that remains in the soil and the polluted water around the power station and underground. It will take a year, or more time, to deal with this".

Gundersen pointed out that the units are still leaking radiation. "They are still emitting radioactive gases and an enormous amount of radioactive liquid," he said. "It will be at least a year before it stops boiling, and until it stops boiling, it's going to be cranking out radioactive steam and liquids."

Gundersen worries about more earthquake aftershocks, as well as how to cool two of the units.

"Unit four is the most dangerous, it could topple," he said. "After the earthquake in Sumatra there was an 8.6 [aftershock] about 90 days later, so we are not out of the woods yet. And you're at a point where, if that happens, there is no science for this, no one has ever imagined having hot nuclear fuel lying outside the fuel pool. They've not figured out how to cool units three and four."

Gundersen's assessment of solving this crisis is grim.

"Units one through three have nuclear waste on the floor, the melted core, that has plutonium in it, and that has to be removed from the environment for hundreds of thousands of years," he said. "Somehow, robotically, they will have to go in there and manage to put it in a container and store it for infinity, and that technology doesn't exist. Nobody knows how to pick up the molten core from the floor, there is no solution available now for picking that up from the floor."

Dr Sawada says that the creation of nuclear fission generates radioactive materials for which there is simply no knowledge informing us how to dispose of the radioactive waste safely. "Until we know how to safely dispose of the radioactive materials generated by nuclear plants, we should postpone these activities so as not to cause further harm to future generations," he explained. "To do otherwise is simply an immoral act, and that is my belief, both as a scientist and as a survivor of the Hiroshima atomic bombing."

Gundersen believes it will take experts at least ten years to design and implement the plan.

"So ten to 15 years from now maybe we can say the reactors have been dismantled, and in the meantime you wind up contaminating the water," Gundersen said. "We are already seeing Strontium [at] 250 times the allowable limits in the water table at Fukushima. Contaminated water tables are incredibly difficult to clean. So I think we will have a contaminated aquifer in the area of the Fukushima site for a long, long time to come."

Unfortunately, the history of nuclear disasters appears to back Gundersen's assessment.

"With Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, and now with Fukushima, you can pinpoint the exact day and time they started," he said, "But they never end."
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2011, 04:24:42 AM »

Arnie Gunderen video
http://vimeo.com/25002205
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2011, 08:01:04 AM »

Egad, this gets more horrible by the minute!   gah


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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2011, 07:22:48 PM »

Arnie is right.
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2011, 09:39:45 PM »

Radiation Network website is down again.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2011, 04:12:03 AM »

Yesterday, I sold my Honda Civic Hybrid because of the disaster in Japan.  I figure that Japan is essentially destroyed, and it is not wise to own a car that has parts only made there.    Luckily, the general public has not thought of this, because eventually it will affect the resale value of Japanese cars.  I traded my honda for a VW Jetta, and the dealer also sells Mazdas.  He told me that he expects supply problems in a few months, so apparently the dealers are already in the know.

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2011, 05:41:19 AM »

Radiation Network website is down again.
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They are changing their system.  Yesterday, during the day, it was down several hours (that I know of) but it was up for at least some of the wee hours of this morning (or the really late ones of last night).

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2011, 04:40:02 AM »

Evidence that the UK gov tried to downplay Fukushima to protect Nuke industry.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/30/british-government-plan-play-down-fukushima
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2011, 02:05:38 PM »

hat tip JWB of PFI
Tepco Says Highest Radiation Yet Is Detected at Fukushima Dai-Ichi
By Tsuyoshi Inajima and Yuji Okada
Aug 1, 2011 8:32 AM CT

Geiger counters, used to detect radioactivity, registered more than 10 sieverts an hour, the highest reading the devices are able to record, Junichi Matsumoto , a general manager at the utility, said today.

Geiger counters, used to detect radioactivity, registered more than 10 sieverts an hour, the highest reading the devices are able to record, Junichi Matsumoto , a general manager at the utility, said today. Photographer: Haruyoshi Yamaguchi/Bloomberg
.Tokyo Electric Power Co., operator of Japan’s crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant, said it detected the highest radiation to date at the site.

Geiger counters, used to detect radioactivity, registered more than 10 sieverts an hour, the highest reading the devices are able to record, Junichi Matsumoto, a general manager at the utility, said today. The measurements were taken at the base of the main ventilation stack for reactors No. 1 and No. 2.

The Fukushima plant, about 220 kilometers (137 miles) north of Tokyo, had three reactor meltdowns after the March 11 magnitude-9 earthquake and tsunami knocked out power and backup generators. Radiation leaks displaced 160,000 people and contaminated marine life and agricultural products.

The utility, known as Tepco, tried to vent steam and gas the day after the earthquake as pressure in reactor No. 1 exceeded designed limits. A buildup of hydrogen gas subsequently caused an explosion that blew out part of the reactor building.

“I suspect the high radiation quantity was an aftermath of venting done,” Matsumoto told reporters in Tokyo. “The plant is not running. I don’t think any gas with high radiation level is flowing in the stack.”

Tepco sent three workers around the ventilation stack today after a gamma camera detected high radioactivity levels in the area yesterday, Matsumoto said. The workers were exposed to as much as 4 millisieverts during the work, he said.

The utility will create a no-go zone around the stack and cover the area with protective material, he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-01/tepco-says-highest-radiation-yet-is-detected-at-fukushima-dai-ichi.html
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2011, 08:25:03 AM »

hat tip JWB of PFI
Tepco Says Highest Radiation Yet Is Detected at Fukushima Dai-Ichi
By Tsuyoshi Inajima and Yuji Okada
Aug 1, 2011 8:32 AM CT

Geiger counters, used to detect radioactivity, registered more than 10 sieverts an hour, the highest reading the devices are able to record, Junichi Matsumoto , a general manager at the utility, said today . . . .

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-01/tepco-says-highest-radiation-yet-is-detected-at-fukushima-dai-ichi.html
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Death in seconds: Radiation pockets found at Fukushima plant
TOKYO — Pockets of lethal levels of radiation have been detected at Japan's crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in a reminder of the risks faced by workers battling to contain the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl.

Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco) reported on Monday that radiation exceeding 10 sieverts (10,000 millisieverts) per hour was found at the bottom of a ventilation stack standing between two reactors.

Tepco said Tuesday it found another spot on the ventilation stack itself where radiation exceeded 10 sieverts per hour, a level that could lead to incapacitation or death after just several seconds of exposure.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43982727/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/


per another article (hat tip Jane of PFI). High radioactivity level at reactor building
found @
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/02_32.html
this level of radiation--10 sieverts/hr-- is now found OUTSIDE the plant  nuclear
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2011, 11:34:22 AM »

Video: Prof. Tatsuhiko Kodama’s gives emotional testimony before the Committee on Welfare and Labor August 1, 2011

Translated by EX-SKF blog: Professor Tatsuhiko Kodama, head of the Radioisotope Center at the University of Tokyo, testifies before the Committee on Welfare and Labor in the Lower House of the Japanese Diet. Very emotional — yet clear and rational —testimony.

“When we research the radiation injury/sickness, we look at the total amount of radioactive materials. But there is no definite report from TEPCO or the Japanese government as to exactly how much radioactive materials have been released from Fukushima.

“So, using our knowledge base at the Radioisotope Center, we calculated. Based on the thermal output, it is 29.6 times the amount released by the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima. In uranium equivalent, it is 20 Hiroshima bombs.

“What is more frightening is that whereas the radiation from a nuclear bomb will decrease to one-thousandth in one year, the radiation from a nuclear power plant will only decrease to one-tenth, equivalent in the amount to tens of nuclear bombs, and the resulting contamination is far worse than the contamination by a nuclear bomb.


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https://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewtopic.php?p=327100#327100
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 02:43:40 PM »

Think we are close to going China Syndrome at Fukushima.  This article gives what is IMO the best hope we have of heading that off.  Why it is not being done, or at least tried, is beyond my understanding.  Entombment won't work, but Boron is nontoxic, plentiful, cheap and available.

http://www.rense.com/general94/whyf.htm

Why Underground Entombment At
Fukushima Daiichi Won't Succeed

By Yoichi Shimatsu
Exclusive to Rense.com
Copyright 2011 - All Rights Reserved
7-28-11
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